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Ed Carson -

This has nothing to with your post, but I thought you might appreciate it: http://harkavagrant.com/index.php?id=9. copy and paste at your leisure.

Alan -

If that is what you mean by plastic, phony, made up tradition yes, well, I crank at it.

Ben (The Tiger) -

Think of it more as a corrective to the Liberal whitewashing.

But the Charter and the flag aren't going anywhere (nor should they), and I think Taber reads a bit too much into the moves.

Alan -

Phrases like "the Liberal whitewashing" really have no meaning and are part of the fabrication of the Tories' new past.

There is, apparently, a new movement in historical theory which points out that "the Quiet Revolution" in Quebec is just what was called "the 60s" everywhere else. The Federal Liberal party no more controlled the changes that occurred worldwide in the 60s to early 80s than the Beatles did.

Ben (The Tiger) -

Hellyer did what he did. It had to be undone.

Alan -

Hellyer: a man so singularly and wickedly powerful he duped the Aussies, too.

Alan -

And it is not like the Harper government has undone the unification of the Canadian Forces.

Ben (The Tiger) -

Oh, the unification was fine.

Trying to kill off the history was what sucked.

So, keep the unification, ditch the ditching of the history, and all is well.

Alan -

So, you will agree then that much of Harper's "new past" is phony-baloney and dangerous?

Ben (The Tiger) -

No, I certainly won't.

The RCN and the RCAF are not phony, nor dangerous, except to our enemies.

All we're doing is looking at Canada as a country that didn't get started in the 1960s. This is a readjustment, not a revolution.

Alan -

Well, it would be interesting then to find actual evidence of pre-1960s Canada in something produced by Harper. His anti-state-enterprise, continentalist, faux pioneer hugging is all a bit embarrassing as an expression of what was. It may actually not be bad but history it ain't.

Ben (The Tiger) -

Canada's always had a mix of private and state enterprise, with promotion of and resistance to the latter. And continentalism has a long history, too -- what were the Reciprocity debates, after all? All that's happened is the Grits and Tories have switched sides over the years -- but that was Mulroney and Turner's doing, not Harper's.

Plenty of real history here.

Alan -

Well, not really. English-speaking Canada was founded on old school conservative state policy and the alliance between the conservatism, the Crown and the church managed Quebec until the mid-1900s. Everything from populating open areas in a state controlled and state supported manner as opposed to US private land speculation to the continuation of massive wheat pools, huge tightly regulated chartered banks and even the LCBO as legacies of centralized conservative statism on the corporate side.

Like Trudeau, Harper's not switching sides but just says he's creating something purportedly new while maintaining the fundamental status quo (like Chretien's financial policies to a lesser degree of success than the Grits). Unlike Trudeau, Harper faces a problem - fewer cards actually in his hands. Not worse ones, fewer. Thirty years of weakening Federalism has left Ottawa without as many levers to pull. Plus, centralized administration sorta works (the Canadian Forces at the Federal level, public health at the provincial) so he can't frig with that. Plus he and his own have no capacity to enunciate vision. It has become a self-fulfillment.

Ben (The Tiger) -

There's a streak of Trudeau in Harper, yes, though many of his supporters would hate to hear it.

I don't know if he's that bad at the vision thing -- his government sure seems to have pushed your buttons, here.

But I really don't see that that much has changed. Again, it's a readjustment, not a revolution. Which is also very Canadian.

Alan -

He only pushes my buttons because he is incoherent. And it is a big waste because he could do so much better.

Alan -

Doubt it. He's a well meaning half-dud. He'll manage the economy fine, leave a confused legacy based on playing with symbols and the next generation of leaders - including Tories - will move on.

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