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Hans -

"It is all such a quagmire of personal opinion being couched as objective...." This, to me, seems to be the major flaw of all judicial reasoning.

Alan -

Yet it is all we have. Construing of legislation and constitutional documents can only be undertaken by people.

Alan -

Alito's arguments using post-1791 incidents to illustrate meaning are strikingly un-originalist.

Ben (The Tiger) -

The decision reflects a nineteenth century conception of the right to bear arms -- won't pretend to know whether that was the eighteenth c. conception.

On the other hand, the spread of "shall issue" permit laws to forty states since the 1980s and the concurrent rise of "castle doctrine" laws in a similar number of states -- and the power of the NRA to flip congressional seats (they're smart -- given equally committed Republican and Democratic candidates, they endorse the Dem, even tho their hearts are with the GOP -- that's how a single issue lobby prospers) -- we can see which way the tree is growing, if we have a living tree constitution.

Mind you, a few liberal academics who started looking into the 2nd Amendment in the early 1990s were converted to the "individual right" side, and in Heller v. DC, it was 9-0 on that point. Everyone agrees on the SCOTUS that there is a right. And it is subject to reasonable regulations (no mentally I'll or convicted felons have the right to their own arsenal) -- now, it's just, "what's reasonable?"

Ben (The Tiger) -

(Sorry for the triple post! Wonky wifi.)

Alan -

Lay off the caffeine.

It did leave me asking myself how many 1700s rebels would have had access to a hand gun. Because, you know, what is the difference between a handgun and a long gun and a long gun and a bazooka? It's only a matter of scale.

Ben (The Tiger) -

Wouldn't a bazooka more properly fall under the category of field artillery?

The 1700s rebels had to steal that from Fort Ticonderoga, whose garrison was not told that there was a civil war on...

Ben (The Tiger) -

Oh, and a hand gun is a pistol. An officer's weapon. Gentlemen would have them, and duel with them.

Muskets, of course, correspond to rifles.

Alan -

But no rebels were gentlemen. So clearly they are unconstitutional.

ry -

But how many of those same rebels had access to healthcare, Al?

If it's a universal right it exists regardless of technology level, which is why I think some are engaging in a terrible line of reasoning. If we were a a Bronze age society we'd be talking about swords, spears, and shields. And we'd also be talking about universal access to leeches and priests skilled in blood letting.

But of course, any and all universal rights are merely opinion. There's no such thing, objectively.

(i'm gonna go disappear for six months again. Spater.)

Alan -

RY!!!

I think it is a very interesting decision, actually, and a great lesson in how US analysis works and differs from Canadian constitutional thought. Whereas we have tests pretty much established for the application of a principle, the SCOTUS members are each struggling to find the meaning in the words.

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