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Mark Wickens -

Blind self-interest is not a Randian concept, Alan. Real self-interest of the Ayn Rand variety requires a sharp, unwavering focus on reality and the long-term consequences of your actions. It's hard. And very moral.

Neither does lack of rules figure anywhere in Rand's ideas. Government bans against force and fraud are required according to her. What's not allowed are rules that prevent individuals from freely contracting with one another -- or laws that bail them out at taxpayer expense when they screw up.

Not sure what your point was with that last link. Are you saying Greenspan was actually right to be meddling in the economy by lowering interest rates and that his intervention did not contribute to the mess we're in?

If you're interested, here's more Objectivist perspective on the financial crisis:

http://www.aynrand.org/site/PageServer?pagename=arc_financial_crisis

Alan -

Oh, good Lord! Don't bother, Mark. Believe what you like but keep it away from me, politics and economics, please. Not interested in a debate over a belief system.

David Janes -

Oh come on Al, you brought up Rand! Jebus.

Alan -

Fine - next time you make fun of Masons again, I am calling in the Grand Master Goat on you. See how you like that.

Ben (The Tiger) -

If you write a post blaming the "Randians", you may expect a comment or two from an Objectivist defending himself...

David Janes -

Yes, plus I know Mark well enough to realize he's an amusing verbal sparring partner. Plus I think it's useful to see Randianism (I'm not a fan) as a strawman for whatever ails you.

I don't make fun of Masons; otherwise my bro-in-law won't let me use the secret underground highways and UFO facilities any more.

Alan -

OK - if you are vouching for him, I am fine with that. I just do not want to get into a debate with a believer in Objectivism anymore than I want to debate a Catholic about the Pope. At a certain point, it is a bit pointless to debate belief and it only ends up in unhappy finger pointing.

Ben: I suppose you are right but if I say that a Randian is code for any libertarian nut bar will you understand and forgive??

Ben (The Tiger) -

Oh, I know darned well what you're doing.

Alan -

See? If we know not the code of the other we will inevitably offend. That is why a measure of indoctrination is required for good blog commenting.

Alan -

By the way, I am now displaying Objectivist publications in my Google ads so this is all being balanced out.

Ben (The Tiger) -

Well, it's more that I know what fights to pick, and which points just to let sail on by.