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Ben (The Tiger) -

Bah.

I say that you should go around singing "The Maple Leaf Forever" with the original words.

"In days of yore, from Britain's shore,
Wolfe the dauntless hero came..."

Alan -

Well, Wolfe was a bit of a wishy-washy person in the summer in question as far as my reading goes. Wanted to pour troops into a known death trap down river from town. I think we need to examine 1750s history not through the lens of 1880s history.

Hans -

The Gallic People have an Achilles Heel on this: "Alesia!?!? Nobody even knows where Alesia is!" ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asterix_and_the_Chieftain's_Shield)

Alan -

So is the real question: "what was so hot about Montcalm anyway?"

Chris Taylor -

Wolfe was originally just employing the tactics that had worked so well for him at Louisbourg. Of the Plains of Abraham, he gambled hugely and won, because Montcalm threw away all his tactical advantages (superior numbers, superior fortifications, better logistics/supply) and fought at the place and time of Wolfe's desiring.

History frequently forgives those who dare too much too soon—as long as they finish with a win.

Alan -

The reading I have done indicated he was a bit of a dawdler (at Quebec) in that he did not go for the Plains as too much too soon but spent most of the summer looking for another angle. Note the seven weeks that passed from the Battle of Beauport and the Plains. More here.

Alan -

Whether he was zippy or tardy, does not Wolfe's Manifesto have some culturally unifying resonance at this present point in history?

Chris Taylor -

I didn't think this required spelling out, but...

"Too much too soon" as in:

- Committing the bulk of his invasion force to a location which could easily be surrounded by the enemy (Montcalm's forces in front of the Brits, Bougainville's to the rear)
- Choosing a battlefield from which a fighting withdrawal is a logistical impossibility.

All without knowing whether Montcalm was disposed to fight or simply wait out the siege until the British supplies ran out and they had to go home.

As far as dawdling goes, Wolfe had an initial plan and then had to revise it several times as Montcalm altered his deployments and the Brits discovered the weakness of his supply lines. I think it would be fair to say that he was indecisive and agonised over his plans until he was taken ill.

His staff were no less committed to suicidal death traps, as they had favoured frontal assaults on the city walls—they were all for attacking the city itself, whereas Wolfe wanted to fight Montcalm's army in a non-garrisoned situation. That is by far a sounder plan, and the reason for the "dawdling". Dawdling implies sitting aboard ship doing largely nothing; and the invasion force did do a lot of siegework in the months prior to the actual battle.

When his commanders subsequently examined the strategic situation during Wolfe's illness, the outline of the eventual battle plan came into being.

Alan -

Fair enough. Feeling under the weather myself today, I have every sympathy.

But I wonder why they did not attempt an expulsion in whole or in part seeing as they were still expelling from the Maritimes just the year before.

Alan -

Surely Rangers were not worse.

Chris Taylor -

The scale of the thing was probably the deterrent. 11,000 Acadians out east vs. 55,000+ Quebecois. The sealift required to get everybody out of there would be just massive. Wolfe's force was around 8,500 guys, and that took 1/4 of the Royal Navy to get there—49 men-of-war and over 200 merchants. Moving six times that number of people would probably tie up British shipping for ages; they wouldn't have anything left to shuttle reinforcements to the Continent.

Alan -

Yes, that is likely it. I think I just read somewhere that after the first 6,000 Nova Scotian Acadians in 1755, the next @6,000 were over years.

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