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David Janes -

I agree with your verdict. A good night for the CPC IMHO ... but the real story that seems to be missed by the papers & net ... is the excellent results the Greens got in Toronto. This speaks to a restructuring of the left over the next couple of years, with the NDP the likely loser.

sean liddle -

David has it right about the Greens. Interesting how the traditional leftist base is now mainly comprised of "green" left people as opposed to labour left who now seem unafraid to vote Liberal, Conservative, Green, whoever they choose.

Alan -

It would be nice if the 29% Liberal base, 12% NDP base and 8% Green base would get together on a coalition basis so that all they have to sway is 2% for a true majority.

David Janes -

Ah, there's a new take on Canadian politics: the left is shut out because of vote splitting ;-)

sean liddle -

I wish Gilles Duceppe would drop the Quebec separatist stance, find an Ontario counterpart and vie for a new Upper and Lower Canada separatist confederacy. We could go by the miniker "The Bloc Party".

sean liddle -

moniker. WHERE IS my typing wand..

David Janes -

All hypotheticals Al. It's very rare, except in Saddam's Iraq and Alberta for some reason for elections to be anything but a bit of a gamble. I'm sure that there's some underlying psychological and mathematical reason for this. You're assuming that there's a broad overreaching "leftness" that reaches from the left end of Green to the right side of Liberal that doesn't exist. Lots of people are in parties mainly because of "the team" -- you've accused me of this in the past, and it certainly applies to a lot of commentators here on the other side of the coin (if there's any substantial policy in the Harper era that couldn't be transplanted to the Chretien one, or visa versa, I'd love to know). Also lots of people are Liberals because (in the words of one of my political friends) they're "joiners". Whether they'd like to remain joined when the crazies want to run the shop [*] remains another question when there's a fairly reasonable alternative.

[*] for example, Liberals are willing to make talk-the-talk when it comes green issues, such as talking about shutting down coal-fired plants and signing treaties, but they're not so quick to, like, walk-the-walk as doing these things would have actual unpleasant political outcomes.

David Janes -

Sorry, I lost the train of though there in beginning of the first para. What I meant is parties rebalance themselves to become competitive in general elections.

"antitrust erick"

Alan -

Yes, that is true but I think what I am suggesting is that in this era, the remaking may require some brokering of a consolidation.

Hans -

I wouldn't make too much of the Greens numbers. They are a convenient vote-parking party in any bi-election.

David Janes -

Or ... and I think you should ponder the possibilities Al ... that we are in the age of minorities, and that the Liberals have to go-European and start making coalitions to form governments! The interesting thing (from a politics-is-a-game point of view) is if all the red-lefties stick with the NDP, one could see green-CPC or green-Liberal alliances.

David Janes -

One could also see the CPC break apart into regional parties. Or a right-Liberal left-Conservative party form. The possibilities are endless...

sean liddle -

David has a point if one looks to the south.. How many REALLY close elections can they have before a third party with vision and not simple "we're different" attitude pops up and all of a sudden a two party system seems as silly to them as it seems to us. Right now, obama, clinton and mccain are pretty much tied in the polls. (as in A versus C or B versus C).

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