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Ben (The Tiger) -

Protocol is only protocol until it isn't, when it is replaced by new protocol.

As for looking to the past and interpreting it -- why, that is done by any government for any number of reasons. Quarrel with a given interpretation, not with the fact that it is done.

cm -

If I remember correctly, the young man who gave me a tour of Vimy said that the Canadian soldiers wore the maple leaf as a hat badge, so flying the current flag would be appropriate.

Alan -

"Quarrel with a given interpretation, not with the fact that it is done."

That would go to the heart of criticism. The methodology is flawed, partisan and dopey. I am merely pointing that out. Just because many are stunned, it does not mean they are less stunned. <p>BTW - do you get confused at puppet shows?

Jay Currie -

I suspect Dallaire might be well advised to go back to his park bench.

This is a non-issue. We have a flag (albeit one which looks more like a logo), it is flying at Vimy. Harper decided to make a gesture to the veterans who fought under some version of the old ensign. It was not a partisan gesture - unless honouring a few old men who fought for their country is now a partisan matter. (Maybe we should check in with Smilin' Jack on that one as he is so determined to make the death of six young Canadians a partisan matter.)

(And Alan, I am surprised at you suggesting a partisan motive - what are you implying? That flying the current Canadian flag was cooked up in a rush by a bunch of Liberal hacks and foisted on an ungrateful nation in the face of spirited opposition so Mike Pearson could remove the hated Union Jack and keep a few members of his Quebec Liberal caucus happy is a partisan matter? And that allowing the Ensign to be flown is lèse majesté the rightful Liberal hegemony on Canadian matters symbolic? Surely not. I mean suggesting that Harper is flying the Ensign at Vimy in defiance of the Liberal Party monopoly on national icons seems rather mean spirited and over the top all at the same time.)

Alan -

About as weirdly badly social-engineeringly partisan as making it known that the Prime Minister is writing a [Ed.: (<i>cough</i>)bad</i>] book on hockey. It's the slow left hook of staking claims that is so embarrassing. Like the promise and failure on those armed Arctic ice breakers we now learn today as slush breakers...<i>'cause you know its in the Arctic so it much be Canadian, eh?</i><p>Doesn't matter what is or was, just what can be made of it. But, as you note, conservatives can take pride in that it is as bad as the Liberals have done in the past so it must be 100% quality pure leadership.

Alan -

Darcey has a very good range of comment on this. 50 star flags only - best illustration of the point Dallaire was making.

Ben (The Tiger) -

I don't know that it's so bad on either side. National symbols and pageantry are settled on after a dialogue among various parties.

The Liberals have had more of a say over the past few decades because, well, they've tended to win elections, and when the Conservatives have done so, they've stuck more to policy matters (though they did bring back naval ranks and uniforms and air force uniforms in the early Mulroney years -- I think they should have gone whole hog and brought back the old air force rank table and reinstated the "Royal" titles for the services, but that's just me)... This is just the right getting its act together again after leaving the symbolism field mainly to the centre-left for the last half-century.

About the Red Ensign as an enduring source of Canadian patriotism, though -- I wonder if this is the Canadian government re-asserting its claim to use of the Canadian Red Ensign over, say, that of the political elements on the extreme right (not unlike what some mayors are doing in England with the Cross of St. George).*

* -- Other than the provincial flags based on the Red Ensign. Note that the adoption of the Ontario flag was an extended middle finger towards Pearson and Ottawa. Ditto for Manitoba.

Ronald Starkie -

Vimy is a National Historic Site and flying the historic Canadian Red Ensign is appropriate. There are many National Historic Sites that fly or display historic flags. I do not understand the rationale of the ensign detractors. Canada is a tolerant country. We have two official languages, two versions of our national anthem, yet there are those that condemn a symbol of Canada!

As a tribute to those who fought under the Canadian Red Ensign let's make it the official "Ensign of Canada" regardless of the version. Many countries in the world have an ensign as well as a national flag.

I was three years old when the flag debate occurred and still it goes on. There was no national referendum on the Flag issue and many Canadians felt their voices were not heard. I cringe when a few arrogant supporters of the 1965 flag say "it's done, get over it". Perhaps the best way to resolve the matter is to let Canadians have an official choice of which flag they display. This is no different than observing two official languages. Could you imagine the outcry if the government suddenly said there would only be one official language?

Ronald Starkie -

Vimy is a National Historic Site and flying the historic Canadian Red Ensign is appropriate. There are many National Historic Sites that fly or display historic flags. I do not understand the rationale of the ensign detractors. Canada is a tolerant country. We have two official languages, two versions of our national anthem, yet there are those that condemn a symbol of Canada!

As a tribute to those who fought under the Canadian Red Ensign let's make it the official "Ensign of Canada" regardless of the version. Many countries in the world have an ensign as well as a national flag.

I was three years old when the flag debate occurred and still it goes on. There was no national referendum on the Flag issue and many Canadians felt their voices were not heard. I cringe when a few arrogant supporters of the 1965 flag say "it's done, get over it". Perhaps the best way to resolve the matter is to let Canadians have an official choice of which flag they display. This is no different than observing two official languages. Could you imagine the outcry if the government suddenly said there would only be one official language?

Ronald Starkie -

Vimy is a National Historic Site and flying the historic Canadian Red Ensign is appropriate. There are many National Historic Sites that fly or display historic flags. I do not understand the rationale of the ensign detractors. Canada is a tolerant country. We have two official languages, two versions of our national anthem, yet there are those that condemn a symbol of Canada!

As a tribute to those who fought under the Canadian Red Ensign let's make it the official "Ensign of Canada" regardless of the version. Many countries in the world have an ensign as well as a national flag.

I was three years old when the flag debate occurred and still it goes on. There was no national referendum on the Flag issue and many Canadians felt their voices were not heard. I cringe when a few arrogant supporters of the 1965 flag say "it's done, get over it". Perhaps the best way to resolve the matter is to let Canadians have an official choice of which flag they display. This is no different than observing two official languages. Could you imagine the outcry if the government suddenly said there would only be one official language?

Ronald Starkie -

Vimy is a National Historic Site and flying the historic Canadian Red Ensign is appropriate. There are many National Historic Sites that fly or display historic flags. I do not understand the rationale of the ensign detractors. Canada is a tolerant country. We have two official languages, two versions of our national anthem, yet there are those that condemn a symbol of Canada!

As a tribute to those who fought under the Canadian Red Ensign let's make it the official "Ensign of Canada" regardless of the version. Many countries in the world have an ensign as well as a national flag.

I was three years old when the flag debate occurred and still it goes on. There was no national referendum on the Flag issue and many Canadians felt their voices were not heard. I cringe when a few arrogant supporters of the 1965 flag say "it's done, get over it". Perhaps the best way to resolve the matter is to let Canadians have an official choice of which flag they display. This is no different than observing two official languages. Could you imagine the outcry if the government suddenly said there would only be one official language?

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