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Flea -

The Queen of England, even parts of Surrey, and the Queen of Canada being the same person no question of dual loyalties arise. The perfidious French are another matter, being Godless and Continental and French.

Alan -

Not to mention, one might suggest, being in France. Hoots! I fergo-ut the Auld Alliance. How cud I ken sich a trrrrubllled thought.

Flea -

Ah yes, the dreaded Franco-Scots concordat. Long has it kept the English up at night (it being difficult to sleep during fits of giggling).

Mike -

Bonnie Prince Charlie was the love child of that alliance and look how well that turned out!

Alan -

I am unaware as to how focused frothing at the mouth accusatorially in broad Scots is displayed in this medium - despite the common need for such a font.

Flea -

Is there a plaid font I have been missing?

Alan -

There is one we are all missing.

Flea -

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Alan -

Via Darcey, a useful list of current MPs born outside of Canada. Apparently we are led by traitors. I see strangers!

Flea -

Thanks for intervening in my failed plaid experiment.

Flea -

It looks as though I voted for a foreigner in the last federal election!

Alan -

I wish we could stick with <i>AUSLANDER!!!</i> when referring to such people.

Brother Iain -

The "Queen of England" and the "Queen of Canada" may be the same person, but "Queen of England" and "Queen of Canada" are two different jobs.

This isn't just splitting hairs. Her Majesty's Canadian government and Her Majesty's British government sometimes pursue diametrically opposed policies, especially since Britain is now part of the EU. Remember the turbot war?

Divided loyalties are just as much an issue with Britain as they are with France, Spain or Burkina Faso.

British citizens who become Canadian citizens have to swear loyalty to the Queen anew as Queen of Canada. I remember a Brit-born co-worker of mine once complaining about this.

Alan -

Quite right and the same applies between Canada and the provinces to some degree. Cannot "The Queen in the right of Canada" sue "The Queen in the right of Ontario"?

Flea -

In Canada, the Queen's official title in English is: Elizabeth the Second, by the Grace of God of the United Kingdom, Canada and Her other Realms and Territories Queen, Head of the Commonwealth, Defender of the Faith.

Please refer to the Statute of Westminster for details.

Alan -

But we only swear an oath to her in the right of Canada, no? That may be her whole capacity but they are incidents of herself to which we as Canadians only relate in her right in Canada. Or maybe not. Maybe both Canada and the provinces. <p>But only if you swear that oath. As birthright Canadians we owe her no particular good faith - I actually said nothing on the two oaths I took as well, that is what you get for mob oath taking. You are not suggesting that the higher British civil servant has a oath-based relationship to the Commonwealth, are you?

Brother Iain -

True, the full "international" title is used in some ceremonies. But given the intent of the Statute of Westminster, and the evolution of government in the Commonwealth in the decades since, the only possible interpretation of that "long title" of the Queen is that it is a LIST of jobs, not one big job.

To become a Canadian citizen you only swear allegience to the Queen Elizabeth as "the Queen of Canada." And people who've sworn allegience to her in some other realm still have to take that oath if they wish to become Canadian.

For the record, I believe a prime minister of Canada ought to have citizenship in only one country: Canada. I also believe any Canadian who becomes leader of another country (as has happened in recent years) ought to discard his Canadian citizenship.

However, I also believe that anyone who questions Stephane Dion's loyalty to Canada, given his track record in standing up to the separatists and championing federalism in Quebec, is simply despicable.

It's a pity they've outlawed duelling.