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gorthos -

You are baiting me on my day off aren't you Alan. :)

My thought is that the evengelical xians are the very folk villifying videogames and media for the violent content implying that such gives "baddies" the ideas and inclination to kill folk, yet they turn around and produce a game that encourages such with only a need for video-game-repentance to receive "soul points" back for such indiscretions. Mayhap they forgot previous arguments they made or else they LEARNED from their previous arguments..

http://jewishatheist.blogspot.com/2006/09/jesus-camp.html

I'm off to kill creature for a few hours to the strained tunes of the Pixies! No repentance required.

Alan -

Tell that to the Chaldeans.

gorthos -

You know I had to look that up don't you...

Oh well,off to kill terrorists on the gamecube..

THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS ME! THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPELS ME!

cm -

Jesus Camp is the next feature documentary for Doc Soup. I'm rather looking forward to it. Evangelicals scare me.

cm -

I'm also curious to see what Fred thinks of the game.

Paul in Kingston -

I agree wit hyou perspective here Alan. Check out "The End of Faith" by Sam Harris. Seemed to me like an excellent and objective overview of religion today - warts and all - and very much food for thought.

Alan -

I never meant to imply that heroic myth is improper. Quite the opposite. The medieval McLeod ones guide my life.

Flea -

As a Dungeon Keeper my favourite thing was to capture, torture and convert incoming parties of good-aligned adventurers. The Temple of Elemental Evil smiles upon the moral lessons that can be learned alongside the basics of sound dungeon management.

Chris Taylor -

GameSpot reviewer Brent Todd has it right. Beyond the ham-fisted attempt to merge the worlds of electrons and spirit, it's just a poorly-executed game. And, hilariously, there are plans for a sequel.

It kinda strikes me as being a whole lot like <i>The Sims</i>; a not-very-interesting simulation of not-quite-real-life where your time is best spent doing real-world things to improve your <b>real</b> life.

Alan -

Does it blaspheme through poor game play, then?

Flea -

I have an acquaintance who slept through a meatspace job interview because she was up late helping her Sim prepare for a job interview the next day. True story.

Chris Taylor -

I believe Yoda said it best when he said "Do -- or do not. There is no try." There is no excuse for poor gameplay -- religious or secular.

I do think God has a sense of humour about these things. Back in the spring of 2002 my mother, member of an evangelical congregation and also clueless about all things tech, decided to try and buy me a computer game for my birthday. She asked me what I wanted and I told her <i>Ghost Recon</i> and a few other titles looked pretty good.

Well Mom did not remember the name of the game and when she went to the store, she asked the sales guy what some of the popular FPS titles were. <i>Ghost Recon</i> of course, was among them. Mom picked it up and looked at it, but decided against <i>GR</i> because it featured SpecOps types hunting down terrorists and she figured that it was "too soon" after the tragedy of September 11, 2001. So she asked for another FPS title and he showed her one of those countless unimaginative WW2 FPS shooters that the market is overrun with (and that I loathe with a passion). She decided to buy the WW2 shooter.

When the b-day rolled around and I was unwrapping her present, what did I see but <i>Ghost Recon</i>. I was over the moon. Mom said "You like it?" I said "Yes, of course!" She told me the story of going to the store and seeing <i>GR</i> and deciding that it was all too viscerally close in light of 9/11 and so she picked the WW2 shooter instead. I said "but... this <i>isn't</i> a WW2 shooter -- and good thing, too, because I've played a million of those... this is the modern-day terrorist-hunting one."

Mom laughed and then said something like "God must be protecting you from my poor present-buying decisions".

gorthos -

I never liked the Dungeon Keepr game or any other sim games. I like teh hands on killin. Just finished two levels of Rainbow Six; Lockdown and I'm pumped to go get groceries and cook me a shepherds pie for the spouse and kiddies when they roll in.

Flea: TOEE was awesome. I wish I never traded it in at EB... :( slugging through Baldurs Gate 2 rightnow

gorthos -

Ghost recon 2 was such a dissapointment for the gamecube.. :(

Alan -

Nothing like my blasting two dimentional rocks with my triangle space ship - now <i>that's</i> gaming.

Don -

Was a big fan of the DOS Civilization game

Life has been anti-climatic since I got to Alpha Centauri that day.

cm -

Alan, try blasting triangle space ships from your two-dimensional asteroid.

Flea -

Alpha Centauri itself rocked. I wish they would update it as with the other Civ games that end with the getting to Alpha Centauri achievement.

I have yet to play TOEE, I was only making a dumb D&D reference... though I <i>have</i> played Baldur's Gate and the extension and enjoyed them thoroughly.

I am not, generally speaking, an FPS guy. I loathe the puzzle-solving aspect of those games and my hand-eye coordination has only really improved on Xbox. I love historical war simulations and civ building games. Basically anything where I get to set a tax rate.

gorthos -

Don:
If you want a funsemi-old game, get the sequel, its called Alpha Centauri. Excellent game. I always played the enviro-nazi group and always clashed with the religious and business group no matter how I tried to ally with them.. odd how art imitates life.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Meier's_Alpha_Centauri

gorthos -

CM you sound like a rather "cool chick" to use a sexist term (from the guy that does the majority of the traditional "mom" work) and much like my wife what with your knowledgable nerdly references and all. Kudos (to use a fricking retarded catchphrase)

Flea: You must get Neverwinter Nights. The original. You can play it as a one off game OR design your own module. I took our hellish exile like farm property and forest and turned it into a 3d module of zombie farmers and wandering monsters w00t.

I am so sad.. the newest Rainbow six (las vegas) is not out for gamecube... I will yet again have to buy an entire system for one game.

Chris Taylor -

Flea -- If you liked <i>Baldur's Gate</i> then I imagine you went bananas over <i>Neverwinter Nights</i> -- man was that ever a great game. I completed the original but only got halfway through the first addon (and not even through the opening trailer of the 2nd addon). The original <i>NN</i> really rocked though and was a big step up from <i>Baldur's Gate</i>. I am debating whether or not I should make the effort to get <i>Neverwinter Nights 2</i>.

If you are big into the civ building / historical games then you NEED to try out <i>Europa Universalis 2</i>. There is a <i>Europa Universalis 3</i> coming out shortly but its predecessor is pretty darn grand, strategy-wise. Not the bes graphics but the ability to fool with economics, politics, warfare and religion from 1419-1819, plus have historical events (Hundred Years War, Wars of the Roses, Hugenots in France, etc etc) fire off to complicate matters is kind of a blast.

You can just about any nation in existence at that time and really screw with history. I like to conquer France as England in 1422 or so and then lead a grand crusade to the Holy Land shortly thereafter. Oh and crush the North American rebellion in 1776. Each province's culture and religion plays a role too, so if you have a big multi-cultural, multi-religion empire it can cause some headaches in the long run.

There's some good freeware addons for <i>EU2</i> (like the Alternative Grand Campaign - Event Exchange Project, or AGCEEP) which add hundreds of historical (and notional) events to the timeline as well. A terrific game and I can hardly wait for <i>EU3</i> to be released.

gorthos -

Hey Chris
Need any new friends? I'm available. ha ha!
NWN was sooooo cool.

Flea -

Neverwinter Nights sounds like my next gaming commitment... now need to master time technology and engineering skills to build a TARDIS-like bubble around Flea Towers in order to find the 60 to 80 hours I am going to need...

I had a crack at Europa Universalis but I think it might have been in its first iteration. Will have a look for the disk when I get home. If it is EUII I will have another go.

Chris Taylor -

Gorthos -- absolutely. Actually I also have a GC and am probably the only man over 30 that will admit to playing the console-based Nintendo <i>Pokémon</i> games. I don't know why I like them but I find those things hilarious. I don't like FPS stuff on the consoles (<i>Metroid Prime</i> excepted) because they are a bit of a pain in the ass to maneuver when rated against mouse + keyboard.

That reminds me, I never did finish the second GC <i>Metroid</i> game or the <i>Zelda: Wind Waker</i> game either. Maybe I will get started on those again. Got any good stuff to trade? =)

Flea -- I can ah, <i>loan</i> you the EU2 disc if you don't have it. I might even have the manual laying about somewhere. Not that it helps too much -- check the Paradox Interactive forums for all of the really good advice. My only advice is 1) grab every island that you can because they make good naval resupply points and 2) if you do take the Holy Land, don't cough it up as the Kingdom of Jerusalem. Convert it to Protestantism and forego the whole Arab-Israeli question. I leave it to your discretion as to whether you also want to grab Mekkah and Medina. A good-sized fleet out of Bombay can blockade the whole mess anyway.

cm -

::blush:: Thanks, gorthos.

gorthos -

Chris
We have pokemon SNAP on the n64 that my youngest play and I secretly do as well. I am also hooked on my middle boy's Pokemon Saphire on the GB advance.. I wantg pokemon coleseum for some reason (sp)