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Don -

Are you sure you're living in Ontario?

Alan -

I do not drink the same water as you, I know that!<p>There has been no surge to the Tories has there? I mean outside of your house. Prove it, man! We love to wallow in polls and facts.

Don -

My proof is that for the first time ever, politics was brought up at work and people were sincerely disgusted by the Liberal Party.

And the guy I carpool with said this morning - "I didn't think I'd say this but it may be time for Harper to be Prime Minister"

I await the polls though I somewhat expect Frank Graves from Ekos to come out with a poll - taken just before the shit hit the fan, showing the Tories 'stalled' and the electorate saying they don't want an election.

Alan -

Don't you work at Tory party HQ?<p>I think your last point on the electorate is the main one in all of this.

Don -

"Don't you work at Tory party HQ?"
I wish!

As for the electorate wanting an election - considering 50% don't vote and wouldn't want one ever - is it a surprise? Who cares if they don't want an election? Maybe we should institute referendums on when to have elections so nobody 'angers' the electorate. It's ridiculous.

Alan -

The Tories fear the backlash of they trigger the election but they also have to trigger it in the first wave as, if we learn that the PQ got money and if we learn there is less than the rumours, their day will have passed. They are in the hot seat as much as the Liberals on this as it would be easy to screw up as they have a habit of screwing up.

Ben -

I've been saying since this broke (ok, since Sunday) that I think the Tories should push the government over now.

If they did:

CPC: 115
Liberals: 100
Bloc: 67
NDP: 36

A very rough guess.

If they wait for the fall:

Liberals: 115
CPC: 105
Bloc: 65
NDP: 23

People who right now will vote against the Liberals will think calmly about it again and vote against the unknown, preferring to stick with "the devils they know."

In either timeframe, I see the next Parliament being just as unstable. I think that if the government falls in the next month or so, though, we will see a change in the prime ministership. If not, no.

Alan -

That's the spirit, Ben. Let's get a pool going!<p>That first Parliamnet is really ugly when you think about it. What would they ever be able to achieve. 203 seats pro-Kyoto, pro-gun control, pro-SSM. And no PM.

Ben -

I am guessing that's why Harper isn't pulling the trigger. He's playing for more -- a large enough minority that he doesn't have to rely so much on the Bloc or an outright majority. But he may yet lose it all by doing that.

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